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Poster: robinia Date: Feb 2, 2006 9:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: VBR question ?!?

please excuse the newbie question. I have tried to find the answer on my own...

I've been burning VBR files to audio CDR with nero. What quality (bitrate) am I burning?!?

thanks,
rob

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Poster: gmcgill Date: Feb 3, 2006 12:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!?

depends, but generally average mp3 bit rate on VBR files here is about 180-190

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Feb 3, 2006 2:43am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!?

if you are burning CD's, you should be using the lossless files (FLAC or SHN). Best quality sound.

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Poster: paint-picker Date: Feb 3, 2006 4:03am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!?

Brad, lossless may be the best quality sound but not all of us are able to get fast enough broadband to download it in the time we have available. Here in the UK much of the country can only get 512 kbps. I found that VBR was good enough in my case to download some 250 Grateful Dead Shows before they were pulled. Considering the sound quality of most Dead shows, even Sbd's I don't think I lost much with VBR. However if you are downloading a pristine Charlie Miller recording of Steve Kimock then yes I can Accept it makes quite a difference. I would have loved to have downloaded all lossless but it just isn't an option with such a slow connection. Not a critisism, just an observation!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Feb 4, 2006 3:57am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!?

No problem, regardless - I like pointing it out since we always have some new fans around reading these posts, that aren't aware of the differences and just use MP3's since they don't know any better.

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Poster: xtifr Date: Feb 3, 2006 6:54am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!? Use Ogg istead! :)

I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again: if you're bandwidth-limited, your absolute best choice is to get the Ogg files instead of the VBR files. The Oggs are both higher quality AND smaller size than the VBR MP3s. You may need to get some extra software, but it's worth it, especially since Ogg encoders/decoders are, generally, free. The extra time required to download the software will be quickly paid off with the smaller time required to download shows. And your ears (if they still work after years of concert-going) will definitely thank you.

Plus, Ogg is named after a very charming character from British humorous fantasy writer Terry Pratchett. I mean, how can you go wrong? :)

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Poster: abstractstar Date: Feb 3, 2006 11:48pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!? Use Ogg istead! :)

Ah, cool! I'm reading "Small Gods" now, and noticed the Vorbis name. I always wondered where the people behind Ogg Vorbis found that strange name!

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Poster: morst Date: Feb 6, 2006 6:51am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!?

If you are downloading lossy files, the best way to save them is as data. I can understand that many older CD players can't play MP3 discs, but just please be aware that a CD sourced from lossy files will not sound the same as one made from the original lossless source. If you have access to a CD player which will play MP3 discs, you can burn your data that way and not only save physical storage space, but have much longer playing times per disc as well.

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Poster: robinia Date: Feb 6, 2006 4:06am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!?

...so just for clarity sake re: VBRs i've already burned,
I will have gotten a flatened overall average bitrate? somewhere around 180-190?
thanks,
rob

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Poster: Zeno Marx Date: Feb 3, 2006 3:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!?

You can specify a base rate and then also specify the quality/sensitivity of the variability; at least you can do so with iTunes. In other words, you can set it so it won't rip below 192kbps and then set it to be more or less sensitive to dynamics with low, medium low, medium, medium high, etc variability. I try to burn at least 224 or 256, and I usually set it for medium low. That's no rule of thumb or anything. It seems to work out best for the amount of hard drive space I have and sound quality that is least acceptable.

It might be under preferences or options under importing. I don't have Nero, so I can't be more specific.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Feb 3, 2006 3:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: VBR question ?!?

The bitrate of the files is set during the encoding of the files (on archive.org) not in Nero when you make a CD. VBR means that it's variable - some songs require higher bitrate, some lower. It depends on the music. We use --alt-preset-standard when encoding them here.

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